Obama refuses to provide authentic birth certificate in court


Is he or isnt he? A Natural born citizen that is…Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya, so does his Kenyan half sister. Obama had the chance to put the rumors to rest in Court today in Pennsylvania, but chose to let the Federally mandated deadline (for producing evidence) expire. WHY??

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.

The lawsuit, filed by former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg — a self-avowed supporter of Hillary Clinton — alleges that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is thus “ineligible” to run for president of the United States. It demands that Obama’s lawyers produce a copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Berg’s suit and allegations have set off a wave of Internet buzz and rumors, though Obama could easily have put the matter to rest by providing the federal court with the basic documentation proving he is eligible to take the oath of a president. But Obama has apparently decided to deny the court and the public that documentation.

By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.

Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.

Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.

“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”

“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”

The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.

“It all comes down to the fact that there’s nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment.

“The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. [Obama] admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States.”

In a contentious case, lawyers on both sides will haggle over the production of documents, and will frequently go beyond the deadlines, several lawyers told Newsmax.

“The rules are more often complied with in the breech rather than the observance,” a senior trial attorney who has close ties to the Democrat Party, but is not involved in the current case, told Newsmax.

“Lawyers frequently do not return telephone calls or meet discovery deadlines because of sheer inadvertence. Therefore, we do not consider a failure to respond as a ‘violation,’” he said.

Allegations surrounding Obama’s place of birth have been swirling for months. Earlier this year, the Obama campaign sought to put down the rumors by making available a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, issued in 2007 by the State of Hawaii. [See the Certification of Live Birth — Click Here.]

Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”

However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.

In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama’s father is described as “African,” a term used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his race as “Negro” or “Colored.”

The Web site snarkybytes.com has produced a vault copy of a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth from 1963, issued by the Hawaii Department of Health. [See the vault copy — Click Here.]

In addition to naming the hospital and more details about the baby, the 1963 vault copy also includes the “usual residence of the mother,” and the “usual occupation” of the father. None of this information appears on the 2007 Live Birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign.

Berg has been a perennial political candidate in Pennsylvania, having run in Democrat primaries for attorney general, lieutenant governor, governor, and other offices without success. He served as deputy attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania from 1972-1980.

His credibility was tarnished by work he did for the far-left “9/11 for the Truth” campaign, which alleged in a federal lawsuit that the collapse of the twin towers in New York was caused by “controlled demolition” ordered by the president of the United States.

Nevertheless, in recent weeks, lawsuits have been filed in seven additional states demanding that Barack Obama produce an original vault copy of his birth certificate, to dispel the rumors that he is not a natural-born United States citizen.

The latest suits have been filed in state and federal courts in Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia, New York, and Connecticut to compel Obama to release his birth records.

Lawsuits in Washington and Georgia are seeking state superior courts to force the states’ secretary of state, as the chief state elections officer, to require Obama to produce original birth records from Hawaii, or else decertify him as a candidate for the presidency.

Ironically, Obama mentions his birth certificate in passing on Page 26 of his 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father.” “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” he wrote.

Lawyers for Obama and the DNC did not return calls for comment on the current status of the case, or explain why the Obama campaign did not simply put to rest the whole controversy by releasing the birth certificate that Obama apparently cherished as a teenager.

In the past, questions about Sen. John McCain’s legal status have arisen. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at a U.S. Army hospital. McCain had legal experts vet his constitutional qualifications, and he also disclosed a copy of his birth certificate.

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

What I want to know is, if he’s got the goods, why not produce it? I know, he is probably saying he already did, but from what Ive read, the birth certificate he submitted was actually a forged version of his sister’s birth certificate. I know, its not wise to believe everything you read, but sometimes the truth actually IS stranger than fiction. Also, why would his Kenyan Grandmother lie? I mean she is so proud of him, you’d think she’d realize that one of the requirements to be a president of the US is to be Naturally born. Therefore, by insisting he was actually born in Kenya, she is in fact undermining his claim.

Anyway, this will be interesting to watch…

by the way, Ive made no secret of the fact I would have preferred Hilary. I still believe she is the better candidate. This birth cert thing is just PART of my issue with Obama, but if he is the only hope for choice (women’s reproductive choice) then Im still willing to consider voting for him.

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~ by irishgrl on October 25, 2008.

41 Responses to “Obama refuses to provide authentic birth certificate in court”

  1. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That’s all.

    Okay kidding.
    But what I mean is this.
    Since the start, people have been asking the same question – is he a natural born citizen of the United States?
    It’s quite interesting, to say the least. Because if he’s not….what happens?!?!?!
    I think that him NOT proving it is stupid. Makes one think that he IS hiding something. He should say no, it’s legal for me to be president, and to stop your squalling, let me prove it to you. Don’t you think he’d be tired of people talking about this all the time?? I would be if I was him. So I’d want to settle it once and for all, NOT saying oh they should believe me.

    Someone who says they want to SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND can kiss my ass – which he says that he wants to do (why would he want to raise taxes on the wealthy and the wealthy only? So he can take their money and give it to other people!).
    Sorry, that just makes me angry…..
    Which is why I think I’m moving to OZ……

  2. Look, any fool who would prefer John McCain to be president right now has my undying HATE forever more. The man has run a disgracefully evil campaign and it negates ANYTHING this tired old man has done in the past.

    Do you REALLY think Obama would be stupid enough to run for freaking president if he didn’t qualify? Do you think ANYONE would be stupid enough to HELP him if they had ANY notion that he could be taken out of the race so easily? Don’t you think that this has been CHECKED already? You people are letting petty distaste for a name or a race get in your way of thinking clearly. Get your heads out of your asses. Look at what is happening around you. The world is on FIRE and you are concerned about some pissy little lawyer’s hissy fit.

    And YOU, Irishgrl or whatever the hell you call yourself. Some child advocate YOU are. You cry over the spilled milk of Hillary and all the while the policies of republicans are killing Somalian children in droves. Shame on you. Go look at yourself in the mirror and feel your face and try to decide whether or not you even exist anymore.

  3. ……..You always make me doubt myself.
    I hate you.
    But….I don’t hate you.

    And I think people tend to take advantage of whatever situation they can.
    Human condition and all.
    So yes, I think someone would try to be something they want, even if they aren’t “allowed”……

    You sound so cruel, so hateful, so just plain mean.
    Yet….yet….yet……Not.

  4. While I am not fond of Obama as a person (which has zip to do with his name or his race I’ll have you know!), I do think that there may be more than meets the eye here. Had you gone to Berg’s site and read all the info he’s gathered, you’d see he’s got more to go on than just some vague discontent. There are actual citizenship issues that go beyond the Hawaii birth cert or the Kenyan birth, there is also his residency in Indonesia, and the laws pertaining to same. So, Pendel, before you go off half cocked AGAIN, do yourself and everyone else around a favor and get that rabies shot you so desperately need.

    Any fool who thinks I support McCain or ANY Reupblican policies, hasnt been paying attention. In fact, I suspect Im not the only thing you havent paid attention to if you think unscrupulous characters wont stoop to falsifying documents or rigging elections. I have 2 1/2 words for you: GEORGE W. BUSH.

  5. Look, believe conspiracies all you want. I can believe in them too. I suppose your main man Berg can make up as many fake documents as the next guy–or get all turned on by some fake documents that some OTHER idiot came up with, but whatever. So hey, IRISH, before you go off all half-cocked and ready to write in ole’ Hilliary’s name in the ballot (and let’s not forget all of the people who have tried to wrap HER up in scandal, eh?), just you remember what will happen if McCain gets into office.

    I’ll give you a clue of what will happen, just in case you don’t KNOW: you heard of a rewind button, lady?

    I don’t mean to sound like a complete jerk, but give me a break already with this crap. Lots of smart people have looked into all of this. It’s a week away from the election. Our lives hang in the balance. If I have to put up with Sara Palin talking trash about half the country for the next four-to-eight years, I am going to hold YOU personally responsible.

    CH 24/7, you’re cool and all. and of course people take advantage, but think about what you’re accusing someone of. An easily investigated fraud regarding the highest office in the nation. Barney Fife could figure it out with an internet connection. I’m sure we’re safe.

    And while we’re at it, I’m betting we really DID land on the moon, and that Oswald shot JFK (albeit maybe with a touch of help).

  6. If you dont mean to sound like a complete jerk then stop sounding like a complete jerk!

    At no point have I ever EVER uttered one word of support for Mc Cain or the Republican party! I have voted Democrat for 32 years (not that its any of your business) and I defy you to show me ANYWHERE where I said I would stop now???? I havent yet decided what Im going to do, but if I do vote for Obama, its while I plug my nose. And I will write in “it should have been Hillary” As for holding ME personally responsible, get REAL. Thats about as goofy as me saying you’re single-handedly supporting the drug trade.

    What you and the other Obama fanatics fail to comprehend is that the last thing the Dem party needs is a scandal attached to its candidate. If this is all a tempest in a teapot, Obama could have (and SHOULD HAVE) easily put it all to rest. The fact that he didnt is a HUGE red flag. HUGE. Dont you SEE that???? Obama owes it to his supporters to completely come clean with his birth cert, (the vault copy) and get the Indonesian government to clarify its policy regarding students, residents and citizenship at the time Obama attended school there. That is the BEST way to defang his critics, by being scrupulously HONEST, by showing the world that he has nothing to hide. His Kenyan grandmother isnt helping him either. The more you froth at the mouth the more I hear the sorry overtones of desperation.

    Check that diaper of yours because you act like you’re about to shit your pants.

  7. by the way Pendel, it is a FACT that Diebold delivered on its promise to give Bushwad the 2004 election. He did NOT have the votes he needed to win in swing states , and the GOP saw to it that hundreds of thousands of qualified voters were purged from the lists. The 2000 election? absolute FRAUD. Gore won the popular vote (link to follow when I get home) and the Supreme court basically ended recounts and HANDED him the Presidency. So, do I think its possible to completely manipulate the political system? HELL YES, the Republican party has done it twice now. Do I think its possible that the Dem party is capable of same? HELL YES. Unfortunately.

    The game is no longer played by the rules, and the party who wins may just be the party who is better at getting around them in this day and age……Im really sad for what Ive seen this Nation become…(edit to fix spelling error)

  8. Pendel: “CH 24/7, you’re cool and all. and of course people take advantage, but think about what you’re accusing someone of. An easily investigated fraud regarding the highest office in the nation. Barney Fife could figure it out with an internet connection. I’m sure we’re safe.”

    Dude, did you just call me cool?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    Weren’t you the one that said to never expect anything nice from you ever again?
    And I guess your right – about what you said, checking stuff out and all. Okay, yes you’re right.

  9. Hey IRISH, who’s shitting their pants? Getting a little worked up? Look, there is no doubt the 2000 election was an abomination, but it only proved that our SYSTEM needs to be fixed, ie, the electoral college can be seriously retarded.

    2004, well, like it or lump it, the majority of thick-headed Americans are to blame for that. Bush won that election. And republicans won because they know how to get people worked up with lies about peoples’ past and present. They did it to McCain himself that year, and he hated it. And now he’s trying to do it to Obama (which is disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself) by paying retard hick idiots to spread every small seed of doubt they can. Like Obama’s a Muslim (like there would be anything wrong with that even if he was), or that he deals with terrorists (Al Quaeda just endorsed McCain), or that he’s not a natural born citizen. This is what Karl Rove does for a living, and he does it well, and it works on people like you just like a charm.

    No, I’m not a rabid Obama man, but I see a person like yourself get distracted by horseshit instead of being focused on the task at hand and it drives me nuts. Now it’s the Republican’s turn to get distracted–and they have been, what with arguments about Palin’s wardrobe, etc. But it’s not too late for the rest of us to FUCK IT ALL UP by taking our eye off the ball. Stop being distracted. Stay focused.

    Remember when they said Hillary participated in that dude’s murder? Did you jump all over that? Or did you dismiss it as nonsense?

    CH 24/7, of course I think you’re a pretty decent animal, can you not tell by the way I rag on you all the time? Oh, and by the way, I also think you and Carrots make a pretty good match.

  10. Im not worked up, I just know a blowhard when I see one. Particularly when they go around making accusations and assumptions without a solid foundation to base them on. You ASSUMED I hated Obama because of 1) race or 2) name, you also assumed I was supporting McCain and Palin (neither of whom I would give the time of day to) and you discounted my first choice (Hillary) because WHY??? She is the stronger candidate IMO, Ive never made any bones that I preferred her over Obama, and the fact that he passed her over for VP running mate was a HUGE slap in the face as far as Im concerned, particularly after her gracious bow-out.

    If I am worked up about ANYTHING, it is the vulnerability of the Democratic party, and we cant afford to let something this IMPORTANT go by without addressing it. Any attorney knows that silence is tantamount to admission. Anybody knows if you fail to respond to a claim, you are basically admitting its truth. Whether or not I like Obama has nothing to do with it (although I dont) My REAL concern is for the integrity of the Democratic party. Swing and a MISS Pendel. Strike ONE.

    2004 was rigged by Diebold, its been proven over and over, his own workers admitted it in Ohio and elsewhere. How you can blame “the majority of thick headed Americans” for that is beyond me!! Bush clearly did NOT have the numbers to win the popular vote, according to all exit polls, which have historically been an accurate indicator of people’s voting, thus the outcome.

    FYI, Obama has been the poster child for Al Quaeda for some time now. Where did you hear they endorsed McCain??

    Also, fyi, Karl Rove never fooled me, Bush never fooled me, and neither did any of his hired hands. Ive been onto that crowd long before they stole the 2000 election, back when Bush Senior was President. So, again, you took a swing and a MISS. Strike TWO.

    As for Hillary, she was not a party to anybody’s murder. If you’ll recall, the suspicion fell upon her husband not her. Also, if you’ll recall, she appeared in front of a Grand Jury and THEY dismissed it. STRIKE THREE, Pendel, go take a shower.

  11. Jess, its too bad you cant get past the stars in your eyes where Pendel is concerned to realize that he’s not the only one who does research. You can believe this or not, but Ive been immersed in Politics now for over 25years, at least. The fact that you can wobble so easily is frankly disappointing.

  12. If you read newspapers at all you would know about Al Quaeda and McCain. It’s been all over the place the last two days.

    You are the blowhard, lady. Your blog is a mess and your NUFF SAID hokey nonsense makes my stomach turn. I was trying to be a little nice on that last reply and cut you a bit of slack, but you are just too interested in being overly passionate about your dumpy little Hillary, who made so many painful gaffes in her campaign that it was just plain painful. And as far as passing her big ass over for VP? Had to be done. So many people hate her that he could never win with her.

    Karl Rove HAS fooled you. He has you and your extraordinarily simple mind distracted. You’re like a cat. Someone made a sudden movement with their hand on the periphery and off you go exploring. If this citizenry claim had any weight it would be all over the front pages. It isn’t.

    Poor, sad, offended little Hillary fan. Oh well. It’s for the best, dear. Really. Her pantsuits were horrible.

  13. And by the way, 25-year-political genius, I agree that Hillary the Dump Truck Clinton never murdered anyone. My point is that crazy claims are often baseless.

    And leave Jess alone. You don’t have to pick on her just because she doesn’t agree with you, you freaking bully.

  14. I didnt pick on Jess. I can however express my disgust with anyone who is that starry eyed over the likes of YOU. You didnt cut any slack at any point, so where you thought you were being “nice” is beyond me. If anyone’s blog is a mess its YOURS, you sanctimonious lump of neuroses. I suppose you dont feel at home in my blog because Im not regaling the readership with tales of my court appearances or my drug habits or my pitiful social life or somesuch…gee, wish I could help ya there, old bean, but I dont have a criminal record, I dont do drugs and I’ve learned the secret to happiness is to avoid all men. You’re the poster child for WHY. Take a bow, Pendel.

    You’re so stupid you think Karl Rove is behind this. What a retard. And like a typical misogynist, you pick on Hillary from afar about areas that have zippo to do with her competency. Of course, what else can you expect from a sophomoric neophyte?

    Now. weren’t you due for that rabies shot? Get one for distemper too, while yer at it.

  15. Ha ha. Well, you’re very good at calling names, IRISH, but then again, it’s what small people do best.

    And yes, you are a total BULLY, and you hate it when people call you out on your senseless ramblings, and can’t stand it when someone has a different viewpoint than yourself (which is proved with your stupid ‘NUFF SAID’ idiocy). And yes, you DID pick on Jess, because anyone with half a brain would know she’s totally head over heels about Carrot. Are you angry that she’s not into YOU?

    Anyway, I don’t really know either one of you, so all of that is pointless. All of THIS is pointless. The next thing you know, your brain’s out on the table getting tagged for inspection while the rest of you is scattered over your favorite stomping grounds by people who will slowly begin to forget your face over the years.

    Happy Halloween, everyone.

  16. PS, recreational drug use can be a lot of fun. You should try it. It might help you get over these tricky ‘cycle’ times.

  17. Oh, and PSS, thanks for enjoying my site. My readers mean the world to me.

  18. OMFG. I dont care if folks disagree, what I DO care about is folks who are disagreeable while they disagree. Go ahead and have a different opinion if you want, but just remember you were the one who started with the personal attacks. I just gave it back to you in spades you whiner.

    NUFF SAID.
    (you cant imagine how happy it makes me that you hate that!)

  19. PS: I’ll pass on the drug use, thank you. But, from the looks of things you could use an adjustment in your “medication” Srsly.
    PSS back: Ive “enjoyed” it a total of 3 times I believe…..so glad I could make your day.

  20. What I think you might enjoy is getting laid.

  21. *he went THERE*

  22. I’m sure you would agree that, in hindsight, there was no place left to go.

  23. WAOW.
    Y’all just keep goin’ at it, huh.
    NOT entertaining.
    Because neither of you will give up your points and concede to the other.
    Which, I’m very disappointed about that Irishgrl….I thought you would have learned when to just let things go (case in point…..something what I’m not bringing up, but a perfect example of it).
    That and the fact that you’re picking on me….I’m easily swayed…When the right statements come along. I will admit that any day. And, you obviously have the YEAR part on either one of us, but you see, that doesn’t mean anything. My stupid a-hole of a government teacher is older than a lot of people in this school, yet that doesn’t mean he knows anything. He worked in the capitol for a while too, doesn’t mean he knows anything.
    What does stary-eyed mean? And how does it apply?
    And and and….I AM NOT head-over-heals for Carrots….Why does everyone think that?!?!?!?!?
    And I know I’m behind, but I can’t sit on a computer everyday……I have other things to do – like an education! But, oh well.

  24. NOTE TO SELF: must remember to factor in “entertainment value” so Jess will approve. So, saying Im disappointed in you is “picking on you?” Ive seen others make far harsher comments to you (including the Pendulum) and you bounced right back. I didnt realize you were so sensitive my dear….Whatever. Im neither easily swayed nor easily deterred. Both hard learned lessons. So, you can be disappointed that I dont give up, but I say giving up is WEAK. If I didnt believe in what I was saying, I wouldnt say it in the first place. And since you brought up something in the past (which you actually were just as guilty of, and for far longer I might add), I would have to say that you havent learned your lesson either since Pendel is just a more eloquent version of the Bastard.

    Only a young person would scoff at age/experience. But then, young people have always thought they knew everything. The rest of the world knows better.

  25. Who’s the Bastard? You think I’m eloquent? Awwww…

  26. Just because Im arguing with you doesnt mean I cant acknowledge talent…geez.

    The Bastard could be your bi-coastal doppleganger, unless of course you live east of the Mississippi, in which case you would be sharing the honors…

  27. Hey, I didn’t say you were picking on me, Pendel did. And you did say you were disappointed in me. But it’s not picking on me, no.
    Pendel is NORMALLY mean to EVERYONE, so it’s expected.
    I’m not easily swayed, unless the right argument comes along. I’m not stubborn, I know when to give up a point. I’ve had do to so many a time. And I’m not ashamed of that. Not at all.
    And yes, I’m guilty of it. But I was able to put it behind me a LOT faster than you did….If I remember correctly. And, um, how is “The Bastard” and Pendel alike? Please….explain that one. Pendel isn’t trying to woo three people (or more!) at a time – at least not as far as I know……

    I’m not scoffing at age/experience. I’m just saying they don’t go together all that well.
    Just because you’ve been at something for a long time doesn’t mean you know it all.

    And the Bastard, Pendel, is someone….Well, who is a bastard. Not really. He was/is a player who is remarkably good at what he does……

  28. so, we’ve established I wasnt picking on you, that Im stubborn, that you’re not, that the Bastard is a Bastard, and Pendulous is normally mean. Alrighty then. As for similarities, I wasnt referring to the propensity for lying/playing, I meant they seem to be at similar places in their lives, and their hobbies (at least as far as they like to share their lives online, they are remarkably similar. with that one exception.

  29. Yup.
    And okay….yeah, that part is similar. Other than Pendel hasn’t been in the army, and I don’t think that’s a route that he’s going to be taking…..

    And another thing….I wasn’t really falling for his crap for as long as you may think. Probably for only a total of a few months *counts* About a month or two, actually. There was a loooooootttt of no-talking time in all the actual amount of time I “knew” him.
    Just sayin’ :P.

  30. odd….from the amount of comments you made on your various sites, I would have thought more than a few months…of course, I certainly understand why you fell for his lines, in fact, its really amazing how many gals fell for his lines….he really was good at fooling everyone wasnt he?

  31. I disagree with Havok, that was extremely entertaining.
    No fair bringing me into a conversation I’m not paying attention to, though.

  32. I wanna be you when I grow up…

  33. What are you disagreeing with me about?
    And you ought to pay attention to the conversation….Not our fault you were MIA.

  34. You said Irish and Pendel weren’t enterataining. I disagree.
    I try to pay as little attention as possible to politics, I wasn’t expecting anything interesting out of this conversation.

  35. I has me moments…

  36. I said that? I thought I said that they were. I can’t remember, it was too long ago. I didn’t read all the comments, far too long and full of the political crap I like to avoid.
    So yeah.

    And you should have seen that Pendel was here in the recent comments thing, that always means trouble. Sometimes.

  37. nope, Carrots pegged it:
    WAOW.
    Y’all just keep goin’ at it, huh.
    NOT entertaining.

    Pentagram dont bother me none…he can visit or not, comment or not, spin or not as he pleases.

  38. Was that a euphemism?

  39. Nah. I just get creative thats all.

  40. You’re all crazy 😀

  41. mental health is overrated anyway.

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